u ever think about how people say Tony isn’t a villain in civil war and yet Tony in the end behaved in exactly the same way that Zemo, actual villain of the movie did? Zemo wanted to hurt Steve and in doing so tear apart the Avengers and so he went after Bucky. Tony wanted to hurt Steve and so when he found out about his parents, he went after Bucky with the intention of killing him and taking him away from Steve forever
buddy I love how you’re hecking up everything about the causality of Tony’s actions just to get your fake point across lmao
this is absolutely amazing to me like Actual Villain Helmut Zemo deliberately dug into Tony Stark’s history to intentionally use Tony’s pain to hone him into a weapon against Steve and you all ceaselessly make this about how Tony Stark Is The Villain like buddy. Buddy.
take ur beef up with the writers man, the writers who have said “He wants to hurt Bucky to hurt Steve at this point. He’s like “You love this thing so much? I’m going to take it away from you”“ on the mindset of Tony in the fight at the end of Civil War.
good god but how far into your own bias must you be to think my comment had anything at all to do with the cap 3 commentary you take as a personal bible buddy
when i say “fake point” and “hecking up the causality” i’m talking about Y O U R post buddy and the way Y O U invert and omit things
1) “Tony wanted to hurt Steve and so when he found out about his parents, he went after Bucky” – no buddy Tony wanted to HELP Steve, BUT upon finding out about his parents he went after Bucky “with the intention of killing him and taking him away from Steve”
2) “Zemo wanted to hurt Steve and in doing so tear apart the Avengers and so he went after Bucky.” – buddy buddy buddy pal just to clarify, tearing the Avengers apart was the primary overarching objective, and Zemo describes that a couple times. He goes after Bucky personally AFTER that first Hydra operative refuses to give him the information he needed
Why is this important buddy? Because by dressing it all up in oversimplified shipping language you seem to be missing the teeny tiny detail that I already brought up in my previous reply, that HELMUT ZEMO DELIBERATELY ENGINEERED A SITUATION WHERE TONY’S GRIEF COULD BE USED TO DESTROY STEVE/THE AVENGERS and lmao comparing months of Zemo’s planning and deliberate intentionality, to Tony’s immediate emotional reaction to a situation ZEMO PUT HIM IN TO BEGIN WITH, after an ENTIRE MOVIE TONY SPENDS TRYING TO POLITICALLY PROTECT STEVE *AND* BUCKY, is actually such willfully blind and tendentious reading it makes me sprain my eye-roll muscles
What’s weird is that Tony wasn’t acting like Zemo. He was acting just like T'challa did. Bucky was blamed for the murder of his parents, either by disguise or brainwashing, and Tony and T'challa were driven by rage and grief to kill him. By saying that Tony is the villain in the end because he responded how he did to his parents murder is like saying T'challa is the villain throughout the bulk of the movie.
I generally ignore posts like this because i genuinely want to believe that there are more bucky fans like myself out there, that don’t post wank to further their non-existent shipping narrative, but then i have the displeasure of stumbling upon a post like op’s.
Bucky Barnes is by far my favorite character because I identify with him the most and am immensely empathetic towards his struggles, but. that does not mean that struggles of characters like Tony Stark - whom shippers such as yourself have gone out of your way to vilify op - are made any less valid/important.
The amount of second hand embarrassment and actual grief you give to the rest of Bucky fans, who don’t see his character arc through shipping goggles, is remarkable.
What you, and others like yourself, have done, is reduce Bucky Barnes to nothing more than an extension of Steve Rogers, and how Bucky was simply a tool to hurt him. To achieve this abhorrent narrative, you have then felt the need to attack Tony Stark by equating him to a villain. Which is so outlandish, that I actually question your ability to process simple information, such as the fact that Tony Stark exists in the mcu as a hero. That. Is. The. Purpose. Of. His. Existence. Marvel did not introduce him to be a villain. Actual villains include Stane, Loki, Vanko, Shmidt, Zola, Killian, Zemo.
Bucky’s actions are understandable as is Tony’s.
Had Steve Rogers not kept this information from Tony, and had instead given the man time to process the truth of how his parents had died, then perhaps the conclusion that we saw would not have occurred.
No sane person, let alone one suffering from ptsd, is able to process the grief of watching their parents, their mother, dying right before their eyes within seconds. If you would have reacted any different from Tony Stark, any different from how T’Challa, the wise Wakandan King, had reacted after having found out who had killed his father, than I applaud you for being better than most of humanity.
Zemo, the actual villain of the movie, had premeditated the attack to rip apart the Avengers and had he not done so, then Steve Rogers would have continued to keep the truth from Tony, all the while, as Tony has demonstrated before the conclusion of the movie, Tony would have gone out of his way to help Bucky from likely incarceration. Because, as it is obviously not apparent to you, that is the kind of person Tony Stark is.
I, and likely a great number of other people, would never be okay with that kind of betrayal, where someone you trusted, never once told you the truth of what had happened to your parents. But instead, was absolutely okay with taking up residence in a home you provided, utilised all the facilities you gave them, who instead had the gall to criticise your actions in the same breath.
Tony Stark throughout the entire movie, exercised immense control, to not use full force to bring in the Avengers who were breaking the law. In the end still, both Steve Rogers and Bucky manage to walk away when Tony Stark has enough power to go head to head with the likes of Thor and the Hulk.
Further still, after recovering, the man did not pursue Bucky, instead turning a blind eye of sorts, when Ross asked him to help with the prison breakout.
You can dislike Tony Stark all you want, that is your opinion, but I absolutely resent the fact that you would use Bucky, my favorite character, to villainize the man, as a means to further your insidious shipping narrative.
Bucky Barnes is not a plot device to hurt Steve Rogers.
Bucky Barnes is not a plot device to harm the non-existence Stu/ck/y ship.
I suggest you invest your time in better areas of creativity, such as making content for why you like Bucky as a stand alone character, instead of attacking a well-liked character of the marvel fandom, who many, many fans identify with. If you stopped attacking them, then perhaps they would be not so vitriolic toward people like you.
But then, I guess I shouldn’t expect anything better than people who tag their posts with ‘# I SHOULD TAG THIS AS ANTI TONY; #I KNOW THIS IS GOING TO GET ANGRY MESSAGES; #BUT TBH IM JUST GOING TO SCREENSHOT THEM AND SEND THEM TO THE GROUPCHAT SO GO FOR IT;’ as if that should be enough to discourage genuine criticism.
perfection;
Our Peter Pan, after leaving you he was a bit lonely. Come back to our Never Land. All the memories are still there, our smiles as we stared at each other are still here. I’ll forever be your Peter Pan, I’m still here in time looking forward to it. Travel through the clouds, fly over the sea of memories, go to see your irreplaceable love.
